R v Goucher [2011] EWCA Crim 1456

The hearing of an application for an extension of time and for permission to appeal against a restricted hospital order was adjourned in order to obtain evidence from the new Responsible Clinician.

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Neutral Citation Number: [2011] EWCA Crim 1456

No: 201000775 A1



                                                         Royal Courts of Justice


                                                                London, WC2A 2LL

                                                          Wednesday, 25 May 2011

                                  B e f o r e:

                             LORD JUSTICE PITCHFORD

                              MR JUSTICE MADDISON



                                  R E G I N A


                              TANIA LOUISE GOUCHER

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Mr J Luckhurst appeared on behalf of the Applicant

Mr H Hughes appeared on behalf of the Crown

                                J U D G M E N T

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1.     LORD JUSTICE PITCHFORD:  Mr Luckhurst, we are going to grant the
application, but it will be on terms.  My Lord, Maddison J, is going to give a
short judgment in order to explain to the court, who will eventually deal with
this appeal, why we are taking the steps we are.

2.     MR JUSTICE MADDISON:  On 25 August 2009 at the Crown Court at Croydon,
the applicant, Tania Louise Goucher, who is now 23 years old, having been found
to be under a disability and unfit to be tried, was found, in accordance with
section 4A of the Criminal Procedure (Insanity) Act 1964, to have done acts
charged against her as offences.  The charges were in an indictment containing
two counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm and one of common assault.

3.     On 27 November 2009, in accordance with section 5 of the 1964 Act, she
was ordered by HHJ Pratt to be subject to a hospital order under section 37 of
the Mental Health Act 1983, and to the special restrictions set out in section
41 of the same Act.  She has applied for leave to appeal against the hospital
order, pursuant to section 16A of the Criminal Appeal Act 1968, and the Single
Judge has referred the application to the full court, as he has an application
for an extension of time of about six weeks.  The application relates only to
the restriction order under section 41 of the 1983 Act, it being accepted that a
hospital order pursuant to section 37 was appropriate.

4.     It is unnecessary, in the circumstances that have arisen, to deal with
the facts of the case.  It suffices to say that we have a number of psychiatric
reports that were available to the judge when he made the orders to which we
have referred.  We also have a further report from one of the doctors concerned,
namely Dr Magner, dated 29 December 2010, dealing with the present condition of
the applicant and with the way in which her situation has been managed since
sentence was passed.

5.     It had been hoped that a more up‑to‑date report would be available to
this court, not least because of the terms of section 16B of the 1968 Act, which
requires this court to consider whether the applicant should be dealt with
differently from the way in which the court below dealt with him.  That seems to
us to require us to consider the situation of the applicant as it now is.

6.     It had been hoped that the up‑to‑date report would be available from Dr
Jusic, who was thought to be supervising the care of the applicant.  It now
appears, from what we have been told today by Mr Luckhurst, that the applicant
has recently been transferred to another institution, namely the Bethlem Royal
Hospital, and is now under the care of another medical practitioner, Dr

7.     It seems to us that in those circumstances the applicant ought at least
to have the opportunity of producing, for the consideration of this court,
further medical evidence dealing with her present situation and the present
prognosis.  Accordingly we propose to adjourn this application on the following
terms, that within six weeks the applicant should file with this court, and
serve on the prosecution, such further medical evidence as it is intended to
rely on.  On the information available to us, that is likely to be a report from
Dr Fotiadou, but we are unable to say that that will definitely be the case.
That further medical evidence having been filed and served within six weeks of
today, the case should then be listed as soon as possible.  It will be for the
applicant to liaise with the Listing Office, having regard to the availability
of the further medical witness relied upon, if the applicant takes the view that
it is  appropriate to call that witness before this court, which may or may not
ultimately be the case.

8.     For those reasons, therefore, the hearing of both applications, both in
relation to time and in relation to the question of permission to appeal, stand

9.     MR LUCKHURST:  There will be one other issue.  You will be aware, because
Miss Goucher is under disability, that there will be no legal aid costs order in
place.  We have to apply for costs from Central Funds in this matter.  In my
experience of doctors one of the first questions they ask is, "Who is paying for
it?", because the legal aid order is not in place.  May I ask for that to be
paid out of Central Funds as well?

10.     MR JUSTICE MADDISON:  We will grant an order that the cost of the
provision of one medical report, one psychiatric report, the identity of the
reporting consultant being in the discretion of the applicant's legal advisers,
be from Central Funds, but we will not make any further order in relation to
costs.  That will be reserved to the court which hears the application.

11.     MR LUCKHURST:  I am grateful, my Lord.

12.     LORD JUSTICE PITCHFORD:  Thank you very much.

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